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0007457vehicle serviceToyota SERApublic2024-08-22 21:40
ReporterDigitalMy 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityhave not tried
Status assignedResolutionopen 
Summary0007457: Fix ignition on Toyota Sera
DescriptionEXY10
unstable engine run
ignition system maintenance
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related to 0000089 checkingDigitalMy Replace engine starter and fix stable start on Toyota Sera 

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DigitalMy

2024-08-21 18:06

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DigitalMy

2024-08-21 18:06

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Last edited: 2024-08-21 20:34

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Also engine running is not stable in idle mode.
Check ignition distributor

Currently installed original distributor (from 4E-FTE Denso 229100-7631)
Toyota /19100-11070 (SERA01 SERA02)
has one connector 4-pin:
01 -> to ECU "G-"
02 -> to ECU "G" G2
03 -> to ECU "NE-" G1
04 -> to ECU "NE"
and 5 connectors for high voltage resistive cords

Distribution order goes: HV01 -> HV03 -> HV04 -> HV02 -> repeat cycle

also may fit distributor Toyota /19100-11080 (SERA03) slightly modified by hand

DigitalMy

2024-08-21 18:07

administrator   ~0014335

Last edited: 2024-08-22 21:40

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For more stable engine start on wet weather, need new high-voltage wire (ignition leads):
CORD SET, COIL & SPARK, W/RESISTIVE
/90919-21507 (or Blue Print ADT31668) ,
includes lost one /90919-13388 (missing this cord)

Another high-quality cord: Magnecor KV85 HT.
Replacements possible: OEK279, OEF378, OES1185, RC-TE52 NGK similar (variants)

Old HV wire from coil was "6391-5200" with 12.4mm diameter rubber connector with 4.7mm diameter pin
R=9 kOhm


Basic update (SERA03 after 1992, needs replacement of COIL ASSY, IGNITION /90919-02197 and CAP SUB-ASSY, DISTRIBUTOR/19101-11080):
/90919-21540 CORD SET, COIL & SPARK, W/RESISTIVE
 (or Blue Print ADT31669 or NGK RC-TE52 or Toyota 90919-21587)
includes (lost one):
/19590-11020 -> Used on Toyota STARLET (EP80,NP80,EP90,NP90) 4EFTE engines
CORD, COIL RESISTIVE
? Other similar cord sets: Starlet /90919-22294
/90919-22373 (EL54 with 5EFHE) -> newest, but only 4PCs - because this distributor model has ignitor on itself -> Lorcen LC1433564, Avantech IL0104


5E-FE engines have /90919-22325 resistive wire 5mm^2 for spark plugs:
C04 ~240mm (34cm total)
C03 ~300mm (40cm total)
C02 ~420mm (52cm total)
C01 ~500mm (60cm total)
C00 ~300mm (40cm total) * to igniter

Target resistance for new cord is 0000012:0000006 kOhm



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DigitalMy

2024-08-21 18:14

administrator   ~0014336

Purchased Spark (4pcs) Denso IK20 for replacement, gap 1.0mm
wrench 16mm , torque 25N*m
engine works more or less the same on these iridium sparks as with previous ordinary spark (platinum),
it does not affect wet ignition malfunction, as expected,
-> 2017 done

but main high-voltage cord replacement fixed problem with wet weather
/19590-11020

DigitalMy

2024-08-21 18:16

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Igniter installed is

COIL.W/IGNITER Toyota /19070-10020 (Denso 101311-6080) Vu - made by Toshiba

COIL in this assembly is /90919-02198 Denso 029700-7100 12V with 2-pin connector and 1pin for high voltage wire

89620 IGNITER ASSY Toyota /89621-30010 (Denso 131300-1250) 125 (SERA01 SERA02)
also fits /89621-12050 (SERA03, same as in EL44-DCPVH)
replace 89621-12010

igniter has 5-pin connector:
01 -> to ignition coil
02 -> IG- to DIAGNOSIS port
03 -> to ignition coil and injector
04 -> to ECU "IGT"
05 -> to ECU "IGF"


Need remake ignition parts, remove 5th wire (from coil to distributor) -> leave only 4 wire from distributor to sparks.
A1. Solder coil directly to distributor
B2. Get "direct" coils from EXZ10 (Raum) model with 5E-FE + position sensor "2-DIS" type
C3. Get "internal" distributor coil model -> best for 5E-FHE from Cynos EL54-DCPVH, like /19101-11060 + /19235-11200

Near coil there is capacitor /90980-04079
2-pin 250/0.47.A.

Other possible upgrade for Sera ignition (as found in original Toyota ??? Repair manual ???):
this EL54 (Paseo ??? - Cynos ????)
distributor+coil /19050-11011 (19050-11010) has no commuter inside, it is separate 5-pin igniter /89621-26010 on frame,
but engine hat /11201-11030 and head /11101-19435 is the same as for EXY10 5E-FHE engine,
but camshafts are "newer" than for EL44 (different part number) for the same model 5E-FHE engine (do not confuse with 5E-FE camshafts, which are smaller).

C-55 igniter 5-pin connector (similar): ?
1. ECU ‘IGF’ (Grey-Black) output signal
2. ECU ‘IGT’ (Light Green-White) input signal
3. "IG2" ignition +12V from switch-relay (Black-Red)
4. Diagnostics Socket ‘IG-‘ (Black)
5. Pin 2 on ignition coil C-56 connector (Black-White)

C-56 coil (under igniter or distributor)
1. "IG2" ignition +12V from switch-relay (Black-Red)
2. Pin 5 on igniter C-55 (Black-White) AC
+ high-voltage wire

C-72 distributor
1. ECU ‘NE’ (White-Blue) +
2. ECU ‘G1’ (Orange-Blue) +
3. ECU ‘G2’ (Blue-Green) +
4. ECU ‘G-‘ (Blue-Yellow): NE- and G1- and G2-
+ high-voltage wire , separate

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DigitalMy

2024-08-21 18:18

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DigitalMy

2024-08-21 18:19

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DigitalMy

2024-08-21 18:22

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