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0000089vehicle serviceToyota SERApublic2021-12-28 16:09
ReporterDigitalMy 
PriorityhighSeveritymajorReproducibilityN/A
Status checkingResolutionopen 
Summary0000089: Replace engine starter / fix ignition on Toyota Sera
DescriptionIt is not starting engine from key on each turn,
only with manual bridging of contacts on starter (battery to relay).

Possibly it is retract relay (in starter contactor) issue or cord connector.
This car model does not have starter relay yet: add such a relay (like in model 1995) for more stable starter function.

Also engine running is not stable in idle mode.
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DigitalMy

2014-03-22 22:13

administrator   ~0000097

Last edited: 2019-03-09 21:10

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Starter relay is shown on parts scheme
28300 RELAY ASSY, STARTER,
but has got no part number for SERA01 SERA02... only SERA03 /28300-10020 (12V Denso 156700-0503)
for fuse and relay block /82660-10130

similar relay to check is: 85915 RELAY, MAIN /90987-02006
-> relay has no problem, because I have solenoid sound on each ignition key turn to "start"

there is alternative solution to install mentioned relay on SERA01


additional: to clean ground terminals on both engine sides L\R

DigitalMy

2014-03-22 22:17

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relay_starter.jpg (141,432 bytes)
relay_starter.jpg (141,432 bytes)

DigitalMy

2014-05-01 21:04

administrator   ~0000107

Last edited: 2019-03-10 02:25

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Replaced starter to 28100-11020 (0.8kW) - original for EXY10.
was 28100-16230 (0.8kW).

starter /28100-10060 fits Sera 1kW

Need lower starter bolt /91612-61045

and
high load (80A) cord connector (from battery to alternator wire) as specified on fuse box
-> this part still needs to be replaced, both wire and terminal

measured:
Accumulator is 12.29V and above in standby
(new battery Varta 5634010613162 "silver dynamic" 63Ah gives 12.6V in installed state, and 12.8V during disconnected from car).

Engine starts normally now each time - problem almost solved

Real problem of starter was in wiring and oxidized terminals:
install more powerful and solid connectors,
hide from moist with insulating cover,
apply protective paste to battery and lock contact pads as well.

clean inside of starter dust

see black wire from battery

DigitalMy

2014-05-01 21:08

administrator   ~0000108

Last edited: 2016-10-16 21:50

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Need tools for this work:
sandpaper abrasive sponge,
all-size spanner and wrench,
SATA tool,
long stall ratchet

DigitalMy

2014-05-01 22:13

administrator   ~0000110

Last edited: 2014-06-12 20:47

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found
BREAKER ASSY, WIRING CIRCUIT, NO.1 /82650-20011
and
heater relay /90987-04002
on the left board

and screw 93319-15010 lost to secure COMPUTER, ENGINE CONTROL /get \GOT

DigitalMy

2014-06-12 20:48

administrator   ~0000141

Cannot apply screw 91612-61045 on starter -> video research

DigitalMy

2016-10-16 21:25

administrator   ~0000437

Last edited: 2020-01-16 03:01

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For more stable engine start on wet weather, need new high-voltage wire (ignition leads):
CORD SET, COIL & SPARK, W/RESISTIVE
/90919-21507 (or Blue Print ADT31668) , includes lost one /90919-13388
Another high-quality: Magnecor KV85 HT.
Replacement OEK279, OEF378, OES1185, RC-TE52 NGK similar (variants)

Old HV wire from coil was "6391-5200" with 12.4mm diameter rubber connector with 4.7mm diameter pin

Basic update (after 1992, needs replacement of COIL ASSY, IGNITION /90919-02197 and CAP SUB-ASSY, DISTRIBUTOR/19101-11080):
/90919-21540 CORD SET, COIL & SPARK, W/RESISTIVE
 (or Blue Print ADT31669 or NGK RC-TE52 or Toyota 90919-21587)
includes (lost one):
/19590-11020 -> Used on Toyota STARLET (EP80,NP80,EP90,NP90) 4EFTE engines
CORD, COIL RESISTIVE

5E-FE engines have /90919-22325 wire 5mm^2, 34 40 52 60 mm
? Other similar cord sets: Starlet /90919-22294

/90919-22373 (EL54 with 5EFHE) -> newest, but only 4PCs - because this distributor model has ignitor on itself -> Lorcen LC1433564, Avantech IL0104



Currently installed original distributor (from 4E-FTE Denso 229100-7631) Toyota /19100-11070 (SERA01 SERA02)
has one connector 4-pin:
01 -> to ECU "G-"
02 -> to ECU "G" G2
03 -> to ECU "NE-" G1
04 -> to ECU "NE"

also fits distributor /19100-11080 (SERA03)

DigitalMy

2016-10-29 12:14

administrator   ~0000445

Last edited: 2018-11-16 20:34

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Purchased Spark (4pcs) Denso IK20 for replacement,
engine works more or less the same on these iridium sparks as with previous ordinary spark (platinum),
it does not affect wet ignition malfunction, as expected,
-> 2017 done

but main high-voltage cord replacement fixed problem with wet weather
/19590-11020

DigitalMy

2018-02-07 13:43

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ignition-coil-spark.jpg (54,101 bytes)

DigitalMy

2018-02-17 13:11

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distributor_Ne_G.jpg (30,294 bytes)

DigitalMy

2018-02-17 15:42

administrator   ~0000635

Last edited: 2019-03-17 14:15

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Igniter installed is

COIL.W/IGNITER Toyota /19070-10020 (Denso 101311-6080) Vu - made by Toshiba

COIL in this assembly is /90919-02198 Denso 029700-7100 12V with 2-pin connector and 1pin for high voltage wire

89620 IGNITER ASSY Toyota /89621-30010 (Denso 131300-1250) 125 (SERA01 SERA02)
also fits /89621-12050 (SERA03, same as in EL44-DCPVH)
replace 89621-12010

igniter has 5-pin connector:
01 -> to ignition coil
02 -> IG- to DIAGNOSIS port
03 -> to ignition coil and injector
04 -> to ECU "IGT"
05 -> to ECU "IGF"


Need remake ignition parts, remove 5th wire (from coil to distributor) -> leave only 4 wire from distributor to sparks.
A1. Solder coil directly to distributor
B2. Get "direct" coils from EXZ10 (Raum) model with 5E-FE + position sensor "2-DIS" type
C3. Get "internal" distributor coil model -> best for 5E-FHE from Cynos EL54-DCPVH, like /19101-11060 + /19235-11200

Near coil there is capacitor /90980-04079
2-pin 250/0.47.A.

Other possible upgrade for Sera ignition (as found in original Toyota ??? Repair manual ???):
this EL54 (Paseo ??? - Cynos ????)
distributor+coil /19050-11011 (19050-11010) has no commuter inside, it is separate 5-pin igniter /89621-26010 on frame,
but engine hat /11201-11030 and head /11101-19435 is the same as for EXY10 5E-FHE engine,
but camshafts are "newer" than for EL44 (different part number) for the same model 5E-FHE engine (do not confuse with 5E-FE camshafts, which are smaller).

C-55 igniter 5-pin connector (similar): ?
1. ECU ‘IGF’ (Grey-Black) output signal
2. ECU ‘IGT’ (Light Green-White) input signal
3. "IG2" ignition +12V from switch-relay (Black-Red)
4. Diagnostics Socket ‘IG-‘ (Black)
5. Pin 2 on ignition coil C-56 connector (Black-White)

C-56 coil (under igniter or distributor)
1. "IG2" ignition +12V from switch-relay (Black-Red)
2. Pin 5 on igniter C-55 (Black-White) AC
+ high-voltage wire

C-72 distributor
1. ECU ‘NE’ (White-Blue) +
2. ECU ‘G1’ (Orange-Blue) +
3. ECU ‘G2’ (Blue-Green) +
4. ECU ‘G-‘ (Blue-Yellow): NE- and G1- and G2-
+ high-voltage wire , separate

DigitalMy

2018-02-18 22:21

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DigitalMy

2018-02-21 08:20

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starter_relay_SERA_.jpg (149,606 bytes)

DigitalMy

2018-02-21 08:34

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starter_SERA_.png (54,336 bytes)

DigitalMy

2019-02-17 12:49

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MA_D254-E_distributor.png (42,734 bytes)
MA_D254-E_distributor.png (42,734 bytes)

DigitalMy

2019-03-05 12:49

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28300-10020.jpg (33,908 bytes)
28300-10020.jpg (33,908 bytes)

DigitalMy

2019-03-09 21:07

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DigitalMy

2019-03-10 02:28

administrator   ~0000766

high power wires

from battery:
black to starter
white+blue to fuse

from fuse:
white
white+blue
white+red

DigitalMy

2020-01-16 03:06

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ADT31668_90919-21507.jpg (173,094 bytes)
ADT31668_90919-21507.jpg (173,094 bytes)

DigitalMy

2020-09-26 19:17

administrator   ~0003982

Last edited: 2021-12-28 16:09

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Got used starter from black Sera 0.8kW 12V Denso
/28100-11020
test and clean and fix - disassembled


2021
Got normal 0.8kW starter Toyota /28100-11010 Denso /128000-8530 "69" (9 teeth)

DigitalMy

2021-09-19 03:20

administrator   ~0007091

Last edited: 2021-09-19 17:51

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Connect additional relay high load line to W-R (AM1) and B-W to starter terminal
power up starter relay from R-W "ST1" line after neutral-parking start switch and GND to frame

Got another Main relay Toyota /90987-02006 Denso 056700-6912 12V normally open relay from donor car
it is targeted to double 30A lines .... so, must be enough